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		<title>By: Nicole</title>
		<link>http://civileats.com/2009/11/16/giving-up-the-bird-on-thanksgiving/comment-page-1/#comment-4553</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Gerardo Tristan - do you mean to say that eating meat is a US thing??  Just because many people choose to be vegetarians does not change the fact that humans, AS A SPECIES, are omnivores.  This is a matter of biology - our bodies are designed to be able to hunt and digest animals.  This has been happening for hundreds of thousands of years before there was such a thing as India or the United States.  My point is that I believe there will never be a day when the whole world chooses to be vegetarian.  I don&#039;t think anyone truly believes this in our species&#039; future, certainly not as a choice.  Therefore, I feel we need give omnivores (the majority of humans) better ways to eat meat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Gerardo Tristan &#8211; do you mean to say that eating meat is a US thing??  Just because many people choose to be vegetarians does not change the fact that humans, AS A SPECIES, are omnivores.  This is a matter of biology &#8211; our bodies are designed to be able to hunt and digest animals.  This has been happening for hundreds of thousands of years before there was such a thing as India or the United States.  My point is that I believe there will never be a day when the whole world chooses to be vegetarian.  I don&#8217;t think anyone truly believes this in our species&#8217; future, certainly not as a choice.  Therefore, I feel we need give omnivores (the majority of humans) better ways to eat meat.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerardo Tristan</title>
		<link>http://civileats.com/2009/11/16/giving-up-the-bird-on-thanksgiving/comment-page-1/#comment-4534</link>
		<dc:creator>Gerardo Tristan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 14:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To said that eatign meat is &quot;what humans do&quot; is absolutly narrow and a lie. There are more than 50% of people in India who are vegetarians and many other cultures eat way less meat than americans or not meat at all. Please refrain from using the US culture and experience as if it was the mesure for the world because the world has more humans than americans,,. Next time think about serious and deeply ethical issues so please think harder beforem making ridiculus, racist and plain ignorant comments.

BY now all the ridiculus excuses for eating meat are so repetitive and evidence the white privilege of rich coutry citizens who still have a long way to go regarding &quot;digesting opression&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To said that eatign meat is &#8220;what humans do&#8221; is absolutly narrow and a lie. There are more than 50% of people in India who are vegetarians and many other cultures eat way less meat than americans or not meat at all. Please refrain from using the US culture and experience as if it was the mesure for the world because the world has more humans than americans,,. Next time think about serious and deeply ethical issues so please think harder beforem making ridiculus, racist and plain ignorant comments.</p>
<p>BY now all the ridiculus excuses for eating meat are so repetitive and evidence the white privilege of rich coutry citizens who still have a long way to go regarding &#8220;digesting opression&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: jared</title>
		<link>http://civileats.com/2009/11/16/giving-up-the-bird-on-thanksgiving/comment-page-1/#comment-4518</link>
		<dc:creator>jared</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 00:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>do what you want in your own home, sure.  i&#039;m not arguing with that.  but this article and its tone is an example of preaching to the converted, i think.

the way to win people over to the cause is to expose the risks of factory farming within cool and mostly analytical format (as food inc aimed to do).  doing so will more successfully push consumers towards preferring sustainably grown and safely processed meat.  i know you care about this deeply, but your fervor is undermining your goal (if your goal is conversion, that is!).

that said, i agree that we need to encourage a change in our current factory farming system.  but the shift won&#039;t be from factory farms to no meat farms whatsoever (the first commenter gets at this, too); it will be a shift from disgusting factory farms to less disgusting factory farms and also to smaller meat producers and processors.  this is a good read: http://www.foodandwaterwatch.org/food/pubs/reports/wheres-the-local-beef

follow me on twitter: @jaredmast</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>do what you want in your own home, sure.  i&#8217;m not arguing with that.  but this article and its tone is an example of preaching to the converted, i think.</p>
<p>the way to win people over to the cause is to expose the risks of factory farming within cool and mostly analytical format (as food inc aimed to do).  doing so will more successfully push consumers towards preferring sustainably grown and safely processed meat.  i know you care about this deeply, but your fervor is undermining your goal (if your goal is conversion, that is!).</p>
<p>that said, i agree that we need to encourage a change in our current factory farming system.  but the shift won&#8217;t be from factory farms to no meat farms whatsoever (the first commenter gets at this, too); it will be a shift from disgusting factory farms to less disgusting factory farms and also to smaller meat producers and processors.  this is a good read: <a href="http://www.foodandwaterwatch.org/food/pubs/reports/wheres-the-local-beef" rel="nofollow">http://www.foodandwaterwatch.org/food/pubs/reports/wheres-the-local-beef</a></p>
<p>follow me on twitter: @jaredmast</p>
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		<title>By: hkasvinsky</title>
		<link>http://civileats.com/2009/11/16/giving-up-the-bird-on-thanksgiving/comment-page-1/#comment-4517</link>
		<dc:creator>hkasvinsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 23:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More importantly than a meatless Thanksgiving in my opinion is that the meal should be made from responsible ingredients. I myself was vegetarian for 6 years. I became a vegetarian because of factory farming frustrations and my love for animals. 

I have not been vegetarian for 10 years now and in that time I have not purchased any irresponsibly raised/butchered meat. I refuse to shop in the grocery store for industrial meat and I do not even see that as food. Nowadays I raise my own heritage breed chickens and turkeys (which CAN reproduce on their own as they are not the hybrid varieties) and keep my own laying hens. My husband and I do a cow-share each year and buy our beef from a local family who raises their beef organically and on grass. We harvest our own salmon from the Copper River in Alaska. I am proud to day that 100% of the meat and fish I consume is local and responsibly raised/harvested. I think these things should come into consideration when the meat no-meat debate comes up.

Please (this is aimed at everyone) take a look at what else you are serving for Thanksgiving and where the ingredients come from. Simply because the meal is vegetarian does not mean that it is 100% sustainable or free from industrial foods and animal-cruelty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More importantly than a meatless Thanksgiving in my opinion is that the meal should be made from responsible ingredients. I myself was vegetarian for 6 years. I became a vegetarian because of factory farming frustrations and my love for animals. </p>
<p>I have not been vegetarian for 10 years now and in that time I have not purchased any irresponsibly raised/butchered meat. I refuse to shop in the grocery store for industrial meat and I do not even see that as food. Nowadays I raise my own heritage breed chickens and turkeys (which CAN reproduce on their own as they are not the hybrid varieties) and keep my own laying hens. My husband and I do a cow-share each year and buy our beef from a local family who raises their beef organically and on grass. We harvest our own salmon from the Copper River in Alaska. I am proud to day that 100% of the meat and fish I consume is local and responsibly raised/harvested. I think these things should come into consideration when the meat no-meat debate comes up.</p>
<p>Please (this is aimed at everyone) take a look at what else you are serving for Thanksgiving and where the ingredients come from. Simply because the meal is vegetarian does not mean that it is 100% sustainable or free from industrial foods and animal-cruelty.</p>
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		<title>By: Amerigo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amerigo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 20:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Food Inc. and Fast Food Nation and Michael Pollan all make the case against factory farming. I would think most everyone who reads this blog agrees with those arguements. The problem with your arguement is that you seem to assume there is no alternative. With a little effort, even in the burbs of Jersey, you can find ethically raised meat. 

You also seem to suggest that all turkeys are &quot;genetically modified&quot; (artificial insemination is not gentitically modified),  to the point that they can&#039;t have sex, when all heritage breeds, like the ones that local and organic farms raise, naturally reproduce. 

I agree with your objection to factory farms and respect your choice to be vegetarian, but please do not write as if not eating meat were THE alternative to factory farming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Food Inc. and Fast Food Nation and Michael Pollan all make the case against factory farming. I would think most everyone who reads this blog agrees with those arguements. The problem with your arguement is that you seem to assume there is no alternative. With a little effort, even in the burbs of Jersey, you can find ethically raised meat. </p>
<p>You also seem to suggest that all turkeys are &#8220;genetically modified&#8221; (artificial insemination is not gentitically modified),  to the point that they can&#8217;t have sex, when all heritage breeds, like the ones that local and organic farms raise, naturally reproduce. </p>
<p>I agree with your objection to factory farms and respect your choice to be vegetarian, but please do not write as if not eating meat were THE alternative to factory farming.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Tannenbaum</title>
		<link>http://civileats.com/2009/11/16/giving-up-the-bird-on-thanksgiving/comment-page-1/#comment-4511</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Tannenbaum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 19:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to think that people who ate meat simply did not know better, but you would have to have your head in the sand (or elsewhere) to not know the horrors of factory farming -- from harm to the environment, waterways, public health, animal cruelty, etc. etc. etc. and etc.

One day we may all have to answer for our sins and even the most fervent biblest would reject thinking that dominion over the animals means that we can inflict needless cruelty on them, or alter their genetics to the point where they can not self-sustain. Where are the good Republican Christians when you need them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to think that people who ate meat simply did not know better, but you would have to have your head in the sand (or elsewhere) to not know the horrors of factory farming &#8212; from harm to the environment, waterways, public health, animal cruelty, etc. etc. etc. and etc.</p>
<p>One day we may all have to answer for our sins and even the most fervent biblest would reject thinking that dominion over the animals means that we can inflict needless cruelty on them, or alter their genetics to the point where they can not self-sustain. Where are the good Republican Christians when you need them?</p>
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		<title>By: Nicole</title>
		<link>http://civileats.com/2009/11/16/giving-up-the-bird-on-thanksgiving/comment-page-1/#comment-4505</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I absolutely see your point.  Now that I have educated myself more on &quot;indutrial&quot; food, I want to stop supporting it as much as possible.  It&#039;s hard but I&#039;m making progress.  However, I believe that it&#039;s importnat to support animal farms that do treat their animals humanely, letting them live the life nature intended, even if that life is destined for a dining room table.  If I knew how, I might even hunt my own turkey.  

The problem is, people like to eat meat.  It&#039;s what humans do.  I don&#039;t believe we will ever come to a point where every person is vegetarian.  But I would like to see a world where those hwo choose to eat meat also make teh choice to eat animals that lived an animal-life, not an industrial one.  And the only way that will happen is if we buy meat from those farms.  I&#039;m paying $65 for a 14lb turkey, but to me, it&#039;s worth every penny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I absolutely see your point.  Now that I have educated myself more on &#8220;indutrial&#8221; food, I want to stop supporting it as much as possible.  It&#8217;s hard but I&#8217;m making progress.  However, I believe that it&#8217;s importnat to support animal farms that do treat their animals humanely, letting them live the life nature intended, even if that life is destined for a dining room table.  If I knew how, I might even hunt my own turkey.  </p>
<p>The problem is, people like to eat meat.  It&#8217;s what humans do.  I don&#8217;t believe we will ever come to a point where every person is vegetarian.  But I would like to see a world where those hwo choose to eat meat also make teh choice to eat animals that lived an animal-life, not an industrial one.  And the only way that will happen is if we buy meat from those farms.  I&#8217;m paying $65 for a 14lb turkey, but to me, it&#8217;s worth every penny.</p>
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