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	<title>Comments on: Desperate Food Industry Tries to Tar Michael Pollan and Organic Produce</title>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 21:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can&#039;t discount every study a group funds just because you&#039;re ideologically opposed. If the study is bad, go to the data, or the methods (as you did describing the London School study). Attacking the group and not the research suggests that the findings may be valid.

If the AEI-funded studies on climate change and tobacco are wrong, point to the problems with the studies, not the funding.

That said, it&#039;s a tough call on whether or not conventional agriculture is sustainable. The higher yields are important when you&#039;re trying to feed so many, but less available food wouldn&#039;t hurt many of us. And if it&#039;s hanging, as you suggest, on the acceleration of global warming and fuel cost increases, it might turn out just fine at an economic level...if this cycle of warming has peaked, and we make the switch to biodiesel and cellulosic ethanol soon.

I think the real problem will be health problems associated with extended exposure to hormones, pesticides, and artificial ingredients.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can&#8217;t discount every study a group funds just because you&#8217;re ideologically opposed. If the study is bad, go to the data, or the methods (as you did describing the London School study). Attacking the group and not the research suggests that the findings may be valid.</p>
<p>If the AEI-funded studies on climate change and tobacco are wrong, point to the problems with the studies, not the funding.</p>
<p>That said, it&#8217;s a tough call on whether or not conventional agriculture is sustainable. The higher yields are important when you&#8217;re trying to feed so many, but less available food wouldn&#8217;t hurt many of us. And if it&#8217;s hanging, as you suggest, on the acceleration of global warming and fuel cost increases, it might turn out just fine at an economic level&#8230;if this cycle of warming has peaked, and we make the switch to biodiesel and cellulosic ethanol soon.</p>
<p>I think the real problem will be health problems associated with extended exposure to hormones, pesticides, and artificial ingredients.</p>
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		<title>By: sally oakley</title>
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		<dc:creator>sally oakley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 21:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ok. first of all,i doubt michelle&#039;s garden can be called &quot;organic&quot;, due to the fact that the white house lawn has probably been sprayed heavily with weed and invasive grasskillers. in order for any farm to achieve &quot;organic&#039; standards, they must be transitional for three years..  get over yourselves.. she is not growing an organic garden.. she is just growing a stupid garden on heavily toxic soil..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok. first of all,i doubt michelle&#8217;s garden can be called &#8220;organic&#8221;, due to the fact that the white house lawn has probably been sprayed heavily with weed and invasive grasskillers. in order for any farm to achieve &#8220;organic&#8217; standards, they must be transitional for three years..  get over yourselves.. she is not growing an organic garden.. she is just growing a stupid garden on heavily toxic soil..</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 12:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You wrote, &quot;According to a recent survey, consumers are confused about and skeptical of green marketing claims, and misinformed about terms like natural and organic. That’s exactly how some would like it to be.&quot;

That may be so, but consumers are also confused because those labels can be misleading. All &quot;natural&quot; means is that there are no artificial additives to the finished product. It says nothing about how the product was grown and/or raised. &quot;Organic&quot; can mean that it came from a large industrial farm that just doesn&#039;t use pesticides or other chemical applications, but likely uses the &quot;approved&quot; pesticides. The soil could still be destroyed. Animals could still be crowded. &quot;Free Range&quot; just means that animals have ACCESS to open areas that don&#039;t even necessarily have grass. They don&#039;t have to leave confinement if they don&#039;t &quot;want&quot; to.

I would be confused too, if I were a normal, uninformed consumer! So it&#039;s not really so much the fault of the disinformationists as it is the fault of the regulating entities. Not that the agrigiants don&#039;t try to get away with murder. 

That old Gandhi quote works well here, too, &quot;First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win.&quot; Looks like we&#039;re at the fighting stage, folks. Won&#039;t be too long now before we&#039;ll be able to see the promised land.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You wrote, &#8220;According to a recent survey, consumers are confused about and skeptical of green marketing claims, and misinformed about terms like natural and organic. That’s exactly how some would like it to be.&#8221;</p>
<p>That may be so, but consumers are also confused because those labels can be misleading. All &#8220;natural&#8221; means is that there are no artificial additives to the finished product. It says nothing about how the product was grown and/or raised. &#8220;Organic&#8221; can mean that it came from a large industrial farm that just doesn&#8217;t use pesticides or other chemical applications, but likely uses the &#8220;approved&#8221; pesticides. The soil could still be destroyed. Animals could still be crowded. &#8220;Free Range&#8221; just means that animals have ACCESS to open areas that don&#8217;t even necessarily have grass. They don&#8217;t have to leave confinement if they don&#8217;t &#8220;want&#8221; to.</p>
<p>I would be confused too, if I were a normal, uninformed consumer! So it&#8217;s not really so much the fault of the disinformationists as it is the fault of the regulating entities. Not that the agrigiants don&#8217;t try to get away with murder. </p>
<p>That old Gandhi quote works well here, too, &#8220;First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win.&#8221; Looks like we&#8217;re at the fighting stage, folks. Won&#8217;t be too long now before we&#8217;ll be able to see the promised land.</p>
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		<title>By: Tracy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 21:48:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate this piece, but I wish those who are trying to reform our food system would advocate veganism.

Despite what you wrote in your third paragraph, food will never be fair to animals as long as animals are murdered for their body parts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate this piece, but I wish those who are trying to reform our food system would advocate veganism.</p>
<p>Despite what you wrote in your third paragraph, food will never be fair to animals as long as animals are murdered for their body parts.</p>
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		<title>By: Erik Marcus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erik Marcus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 18:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;re undoubtedly going to hear the phrase &#039;agri-intellectuals&#039; a lot more in the future. That’s factoryfarmspeak for, “Shut up and eat.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re undoubtedly going to hear the phrase &#8216;agri-intellectuals&#8217; a lot more in the future. That’s factoryfarmspeak for, “Shut up and eat.”</p>
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		<title>By: Agribusiness On the Defensive &#124; Vegan.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Agribusiness On the Defensive &#124; Vegan.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 18:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8220;agri-intellectuals.&#8221; That&#8217;s factoryfarmspeak for, &#8220;Shut up and eat.&#8221; Link.   Spread the [...]</description>
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