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		<title>By: New Dream Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Heirloom Tomatoes and Monsanto: Maybe Not the Most Natural Hybrid</title>
		<link>http://civileats.com/2009/04/30/you-say-tomato-i-say-monsanto/comment-page-1/#comment-3067</link>
		<dc:creator>New Dream Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Heirloom Tomatoes and Monsanto: Maybe Not the Most Natural Hybrid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 13:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] handed down for generations because they are particularly suited to local growing conditions.  Civil Eats points out  Scientific American&#8217;s recent article attempting to debunk these beliefs.  Could [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] handed down for generations because they are particularly suited to local growing conditions.  Civil Eats points out  Scientific American&#8217;s recent article attempting to debunk these beliefs.  Could [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bridgie</title>
		<link>http://civileats.com/2009/04/30/you-say-tomato-i-say-monsanto/comment-page-1/#comment-3049</link>
		<dc:creator>Bridgie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 21:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, Mica-corporate-spokesperson, but the age-old responsible (and much tastier) option is to eat canned/dried tomatoes when they&#039;re out of season. But if you like your tomatoes tasteless, mealy, full of pesticides, and cancer-ridden, that&#039;s your choice to make for your own children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, Mica-corporate-spokesperson, but the age-old responsible (and much tastier) option is to eat canned/dried tomatoes when they&#8217;re out of season. But if you like your tomatoes tasteless, mealy, full of pesticides, and cancer-ridden, that&#8217;s your choice to make for your own children.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Watson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Watson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2009 14:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I take it form your non-response to Natasha&#039;s post that your company (Monsanto) is guilty on all charges. Thanks for clearing that up Mica V.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I take it form your non-response to Natasha&#8217;s post that your company (Monsanto) is guilty on all charges. Thanks for clearing that up Mica V.</p>
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		<title>By: Natasha Chart</title>
		<link>http://civileats.com/2009/04/30/you-say-tomato-i-say-monsanto/comment-page-1/#comment-3000</link>
		<dc:creator>Natasha Chart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 03:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re a really good spokesperson, Mica. Very personable.

Could you maybe take a minute, if you have time, and explain your company&#039;s use of Pinkerton detectives and invasive examinations of bank records to put seed cleaners out of business? Your warrantless investigations of farmers&#039; property if you suspect that they&#039;re saving seed?

Could you perhaps explain why you prosecute farmers for theft when pollen from your wind-pollinated, GM crops blows into fields that they&#039;ve been planting with privately saved seed for decades? Will you start going after tomato crops in fields that neighbor fields full of GM crops, just in case a bee or other pollinating insect has contaminated their seed stock?

Could you tell us a little bit about the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newwest.net/topic/article/monsanto_hosts_dinner_for_montana_legislators_on_seed_sampling_bill/C559/L559/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;private meeting with Montana legislators&lt;/a&gt;? The meeting that killed a bill that would have put an end to your draconian, no-knock searches of farms and a limit to farmers&#039; liability in cases where your product had unknowingly contaminated their land.

Because if you&#039;re answering questions, I&#039;m all ears.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re a really good spokesperson, Mica. Very personable.</p>
<p>Could you maybe take a minute, if you have time, and explain your company&#8217;s use of Pinkerton detectives and invasive examinations of bank records to put seed cleaners out of business? Your warrantless investigations of farmers&#8217; property if you suspect that they&#8217;re saving seed?</p>
<p>Could you perhaps explain why you prosecute farmers for theft when pollen from your wind-pollinated, GM crops blows into fields that they&#8217;ve been planting with privately saved seed for decades? Will you start going after tomato crops in fields that neighbor fields full of GM crops, just in case a bee or other pollinating insect has contaminated their seed stock?</p>
<p>Could you tell us a little bit about the <a href="http://www.newwest.net/topic/article/monsanto_hosts_dinner_for_montana_legislators_on_seed_sampling_bill/C559/L559/" rel="nofollow">private meeting with Montana legislators</a>? The meeting that killed a bill that would have put an end to your draconian, no-knock searches of farms and a limit to farmers&#8217; liability in cases where your product had unknowingly contaminated their land.</p>
<p>Because if you&#8217;re answering questions, I&#8217;m all ears.</p>
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		<title>By: Taste T.O. - Food &#38; Drink In Toronto &#187; Food For Thought - Thursday, April 30th</title>
		<link>http://civileats.com/2009/04/30/you-say-tomato-i-say-monsanto/comment-page-1/#comment-2997</link>
		<dc:creator>Taste T.O. - Food &#38; Drink In Toronto &#187; Food For Thought - Thursday, April 30th</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 00:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] companies with an interest in selling people genetically-modified seeds say heirloom tomatoes (you know, the ones where people have been saving the seeds every year for centuries) are yukky. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] companies with an interest in selling people genetically-modified seeds say heirloom tomatoes (you know, the ones where people have been saving the seeds every year for centuries) are yukky. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mica V</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mica V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 21:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d love to move someplace warmer and enjoy more year-round produce. However, my family and personal situation prevent me from the ability to do so. 

I still want my son to be able to enjoy tomatoes outside of those summer months (it&#039;s one of the few vegetables-fruits?-he&#039;ll eat). I know that&#039;s not a popular response, and I agree that when produce is in season it&#039;s much more enjoyable. However, to get my family and myself the nutrition we need, I&#039;ll have to settle for not-so-local produce.

I do promise that we don&#039;t eat tomatoes on Christmas!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d love to move someplace warmer and enjoy more year-round produce. However, my family and personal situation prevent me from the ability to do so. </p>
<p>I still want my son to be able to enjoy tomatoes outside of those summer months (it&#8217;s one of the few vegetables-fruits?-he&#8217;ll eat). I know that&#8217;s not a popular response, and I agree that when produce is in season it&#8217;s much more enjoyable. However, to get my family and myself the nutrition we need, I&#8217;ll have to settle for not-so-local produce.</p>
<p>I do promise that we don&#8217;t eat tomatoes on Christmas!</p>
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		<title>By: Amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 20:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Monsanto PR rep and everyone else who wants to eat tomatoes on Christmas, 

You are limited to enjoying vine ripened tomatoes only in the summer months because that is the only way that they can grow in the climate of this part of the world. if you would like to enjoy vine ripened tomatoes at other parts of the year I suggest you move to a more tropical climate. 

Welcome to the Midwest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Monsanto PR rep and everyone else who wants to eat tomatoes on Christmas, </p>
<p>You are limited to enjoying vine ripened tomatoes only in the summer months because that is the only way that they can grow in the climate of this part of the world. if you would like to enjoy vine ripened tomatoes at other parts of the year I suggest you move to a more tropical climate. </p>
<p>Welcome to the Midwest.</p>
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		<title>By: Mica V</title>
		<link>http://civileats.com/2009/04/30/you-say-tomato-i-say-monsanto/comment-page-1/#comment-2993</link>
		<dc:creator>Mica V</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 19:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the Monsanto &quot;PR person&quot; referred to in your post as well as the one who responded to the Scientific American article. 

I looked back over my post on the SciAm article, and I don&#039;t feel my comment characterized our business objectives in such a flippant way as purely for the &quot;love of heirlooms.&quot; Obviously, we want to make a profit by developing products that meet the need of our customers. That&#039;s what companies do. What I said was that our breeder has a passion for heirlooms (true), and that the heirloom hybrids we are working on fulfill a need voiced to us by our customers (also true). 

My quibble with the article is I felt that it represented all heirlooms as weak and feeble in the estimation of all who produce them. As you have adroitly pointed out, the genetics of these heirlooms are perfectly fine--if not better than hybrids--for certain types of production. Namely, that of the many home gardeners and commercial producers who choose to grow open-pollinated varieties.

However, one size does not fit all. Some growers who want to produce heirlooms on a larger commercial scale and encounter issues with cracking and rot have told us they would like a more comprehensive disease resistance package. 

Contrary to Internet rumor, we do not control the tomato seed supply. We sell to a specific group of growers. Home gardeners and others in commercial production who do not wish to grow hybrids or Monsanto products certainly have the choice not to. I&#039;m not sure where Grist came up with 85% of the U.S. market but from the notes in the article it looks to be based on old public filings prior to Monsanto&#039;s acquisition of Seminis and conjecture on the author&#039;s part. 

Finally, in response to the litany of topics you brought up (Agent Orange, patents, etc.), I&#039;d invite anyone who&#039;s interested for another side to the story to check out www.monsantoblog.com where most of these topics are addressed. 

I, like you, prefer a tomato that&#039;s been picked off the vine. My father-in-law grew some last year that were delicious. However, since I live in the Midwest, and most fresh-market tomatoes are grown on the Coast, I&#039;m limited to enjoying those off-the-vine tomatoes to the summer months.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the Monsanto &#8220;PR person&#8221; referred to in your post as well as the one who responded to the Scientific American article. </p>
<p>I looked back over my post on the SciAm article, and I don&#8217;t feel my comment characterized our business objectives in such a flippant way as purely for the &#8220;love of heirlooms.&#8221; Obviously, we want to make a profit by developing products that meet the need of our customers. That&#8217;s what companies do. What I said was that our breeder has a passion for heirlooms (true), and that the heirloom hybrids we are working on fulfill a need voiced to us by our customers (also true). </p>
<p>My quibble with the article is I felt that it represented all heirlooms as weak and feeble in the estimation of all who produce them. As you have adroitly pointed out, the genetics of these heirlooms are perfectly fine&#8211;if not better than hybrids&#8211;for certain types of production. Namely, that of the many home gardeners and commercial producers who choose to grow open-pollinated varieties.</p>
<p>However, one size does not fit all. Some growers who want to produce heirlooms on a larger commercial scale and encounter issues with cracking and rot have told us they would like a more comprehensive disease resistance package. </p>
<p>Contrary to Internet rumor, we do not control the tomato seed supply. We sell to a specific group of growers. Home gardeners and others in commercial production who do not wish to grow hybrids or Monsanto products certainly have the choice not to. I&#8217;m not sure where Grist came up with 85% of the U.S. market but from the notes in the article it looks to be based on old public filings prior to Monsanto&#8217;s acquisition of Seminis and conjecture on the author&#8217;s part. </p>
<p>Finally, in response to the litany of topics you brought up (Agent Orange, patents, etc.), I&#8217;d invite anyone who&#8217;s interested for another side to the story to check out <a href="http://www.monsantoblog.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.monsantoblog.com</a> where most of these topics are addressed. </p>
<p>I, like you, prefer a tomato that&#8217;s been picked off the vine. My father-in-law grew some last year that were delicious. However, since I live in the Midwest, and most fresh-market tomatoes are grown on the Coast, I&#8217;m limited to enjoying those off-the-vine tomatoes to the summer months.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Kobulnicky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Kobulnicky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 18:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last year I grew one hybrid tomato variety and three heirloom varieties. I always vine ripen my tomatoes .. all of them. There was no comparison. The hybrids were largely tasteless (but did hold longer on the vine as they would in shipping). The heirlooms had tons of flavor. The hybrids did significantly out produce the heirlooms but we pitched a lot of the hybrids because they were literally good for nothing ... not even the energy required to reduce them to catsup. And, the heirlooms gave us enough for what we required.

I realize that anecdotes too often trump data and this is an anecdote but it is also a data point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last year I grew one hybrid tomato variety and three heirloom varieties. I always vine ripen my tomatoes .. all of them. There was no comparison. The hybrids were largely tasteless (but did hold longer on the vine as they would in shipping). The heirlooms had tons of flavor. The hybrids did significantly out produce the heirlooms but we pitched a lot of the hybrids because they were literally good for nothing &#8230; not even the energy required to reduce them to catsup. And, the heirlooms gave us enough for what we required.</p>
<p>I realize that anecdotes too often trump data and this is an anecdote but it is also a data point.</p>
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		<title>By: kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 14:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just went and locked my sea man and yellow pear tomatoes up :) will have to hide the key! thanks for this scary yet informative piece.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just went and locked my sea man and yellow pear tomatoes up <img src='http://civileats.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  will have to hide the key! thanks for this scary yet informative piece.</p>
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