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		<title>By: Josh Resnick</title>
		<link>http://civileats.com/2009/04/30/hog-heaven-or-hogocaust/comment-page-1/#comment-3006</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Resnick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 14:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I&#039;ll refrain from wading into the morality of killing animals, or referring to their slaughter for food as a holocaust, I think we can all agree that using the word holocaust in a pun is in poor taste.  Whether you reserve that term for the mass killing of innocent humans by the Nazis, or you extend it to the mass slaughter of livestock, it&#039;s not something to be taken lightly or reduced to a pithy headline.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I&#8217;ll refrain from wading into the morality of killing animals, or referring to their slaughter for food as a holocaust, I think we can all agree that using the word holocaust in a pun is in poor taste.  Whether you reserve that term for the mass killing of innocent humans by the Nazis, or you extend it to the mass slaughter of livestock, it&#8217;s not something to be taken lightly or reduced to a pithy headline.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael R. Dimock</title>
		<link>http://civileats.com/2009/04/30/hog-heaven-or-hogocaust/comment-page-1/#comment-2991</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael R. Dimock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 16:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Mariann:

This will not satisfy those who oppose consumption of meat. But if like me, you believe that humans are animals and part of a omnivorous food chain that includes other animals as well as plants, and that we also must be ethical and humane within that omnivorous dynamic, a logic can be found.

Author Derrick Jensen, in his powerful and thought provoking book Endgame: The Problem of Civilization, describes it well. He says that humans must come into an ethical relationship with the species upon which they prey. That relationship is based on an exchange. If I am going to eat you hogs, I will care for your species as you support mine. I think that is a fair deal. When we kill to protect ourselves from a threat that we are increasing by our own behaviors, and when we cause any level of suffering as we raise animals to eat them, in my view we are not in right relationship with animals. We have lost touch with our humanity and empathy and the higher calling of our species. I admit this is a very personal and philosophical view, but it is where I stand. I also think it is very good for us to remember we are only animals and as dependent on ecological systems as all other species. In our quest for mechanization of all things, I see danger for us, an inflation of our sense of power to control. Humility, like humus, is great for tending the garden and the quality of life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Mariann:</p>
<p>This will not satisfy those who oppose consumption of meat. But if like me, you believe that humans are animals and part of a omnivorous food chain that includes other animals as well as plants, and that we also must be ethical and humane within that omnivorous dynamic, a logic can be found.</p>
<p>Author Derrick Jensen, in his powerful and thought provoking book Endgame: The Problem of Civilization, describes it well. He says that humans must come into an ethical relationship with the species upon which they prey. That relationship is based on an exchange. If I am going to eat you hogs, I will care for your species as you support mine. I think that is a fair deal. When we kill to protect ourselves from a threat that we are increasing by our own behaviors, and when we cause any level of suffering as we raise animals to eat them, in my view we are not in right relationship with animals. We have lost touch with our humanity and empathy and the higher calling of our species. I admit this is a very personal and philosophical view, but it is where I stand. I also think it is very good for us to remember we are only animals and as dependent on ecological systems as all other species. In our quest for mechanization of all things, I see danger for us, an inflation of our sense of power to control. Humility, like humus, is great for tending the garden and the quality of life.</p>
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		<title>By: Amerigo</title>
		<link>http://civileats.com/2009/04/30/hog-heaven-or-hogocaust/comment-page-1/#comment-2990</link>
		<dc:creator>Amerigo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 16:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I agree with most of what the author says about meat production in this country, especially CAFOs, I’m not sure what any of it has to do with the situation in Egypt. And I really have no idea what comments about how many chickens die per second are addressing. The Egyptian situation should be put in context.  Egypt is still suffering from the effects of Bird Flu, which has devastated their poultry population, which is the secular storyline.  The religious story is, of course, that Egypt is 90% Muslim and pork is consumed by the minority, mostly Coptics.  Also many pigs are raised by dirt poor, uneducated farmers in very unsanitary conditions.  Indeed, a cabinet spokesman said swine farms in Egypt were in poor condition and constituted a health hazard unrelated to swine flu.  So with religious and class prejudices, and general sanitation concerns, it is hard to put the Egyptian situation into context with our affluent American debate between CAFOs and the Niman Ranch Farmers.

Speaking of our affluent world debate, I agree El Dragon. CAFOs are public health disasters regardless of whether or not they spawned H1N1.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree with most of what the author says about meat production in this country, especially CAFOs, I’m not sure what any of it has to do with the situation in Egypt. And I really have no idea what comments about how many chickens die per second are addressing. The Egyptian situation should be put in context.  Egypt is still suffering from the effects of Bird Flu, which has devastated their poultry population, which is the secular storyline.  The religious story is, of course, that Egypt is 90% Muslim and pork is consumed by the minority, mostly Coptics.  Also many pigs are raised by dirt poor, uneducated farmers in very unsanitary conditions.  Indeed, a cabinet spokesman said swine farms in Egypt were in poor condition and constituted a health hazard unrelated to swine flu.  So with religious and class prejudices, and general sanitation concerns, it is hard to put the Egyptian situation into context with our affluent American debate between CAFOs and the Niman Ranch Farmers.</p>
<p>Speaking of our affluent world debate, I agree El Dragon. CAFOs are public health disasters regardless of whether or not they spawned H1N1.</p>
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		<title>By: Mariann</title>
		<link>http://civileats.com/2009/04/30/hog-heaven-or-hogocaust/comment-page-1/#comment-2986</link>
		<dc:creator>Mariann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 13:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A great graphic for getting a grip on how many animals die for food:

http://blog.herbiv.org/post/97788057/rate-of-slaughter-of-chickens-pigs-and-cows-in</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A great graphic for getting a grip on how many animals die for food:</p>
<p><a href="http://blog.herbiv.org/post/97788057/rate-of-slaughter-of-chickens-pigs-and-cows-in" rel="nofollow">http://blog.herbiv.org/post/97788057/rate-of-slaughter-of-chickens-pigs-and-cows-in</a></p>
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		<title>By: El Dragón</title>
		<link>http://civileats.com/2009/04/30/hog-heaven-or-hogocaust/comment-page-1/#comment-2984</link>
		<dc:creator>El Dragón</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 12:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;Whether or not these stories out of Mexico about the Smithfield hog CAFO prove to be true, if this pandemic spurs a swine holocaust my sense of shame over our mistreatment of a long allied species will be deep.

Spot on. Additionally, one hopes that, if H1N1 can&#039;t be traced epidemiologically to the Smithfield CAFO, we don&#039;t lose our fury about the astonishing public health catastrophe that the CAFO created in the mountain towns of Veracruz.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;Whether or not these stories out of Mexico about the Smithfield hog CAFO prove to be true, if this pandemic spurs a swine holocaust my sense of shame over our mistreatment of a long allied species will be deep.</p>
<p>Spot on. Additionally, one hopes that, if H1N1 can&#8217;t be traced epidemiologically to the Smithfield CAFO, we don&#8217;t lose our fury about the astonishing public health catastrophe that the CAFO created in the mountain towns of Veracruz.</p>
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		<title>By: Mariann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mariann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 11:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t really get this.  Hogs are raised to be killed.  In this country, they are generally slaughtered at 4 to 6 months, while still babies.  What&#039;s the difference, from the point of view of the hogs, our &quot;allied&quot; species, between that and killing a whole bunch of them because of disease?  The world is a constant, ongoing, fully mechanized hog holocaust -- and chicken, cow, sheep holocaust as well.  10 billion land animals a year, in the US alone. That&#039;s 286 chickens per second, 24/7 -- killed at 6 to 8 weeks. Everyone talks about the solution being the humane producers, but virtually no one actually goes out of their way to find out what that really means, whether they think it&#039;s actually humane, and then buy only that meat and no other.  There will never be change until people not only demand it, but refuse to finance inhumanity toward these animals.  Not just talk, but actual boycott.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t really get this.  Hogs are raised to be killed.  In this country, they are generally slaughtered at 4 to 6 months, while still babies.  What&#8217;s the difference, from the point of view of the hogs, our &#8220;allied&#8221; species, between that and killing a whole bunch of them because of disease?  The world is a constant, ongoing, fully mechanized hog holocaust &#8212; and chicken, cow, sheep holocaust as well.  10 billion land animals a year, in the US alone. That&#8217;s 286 chickens per second, 24/7 &#8212; killed at 6 to 8 weeks. Everyone talks about the solution being the humane producers, but virtually no one actually goes out of their way to find out what that really means, whether they think it&#8217;s actually humane, and then buy only that meat and no other.  There will never be change until people not only demand it, but refuse to finance inhumanity toward these animals.  Not just talk, but actual boycott.</p>
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